Wikipedia:Requests for comment/History and geography

The following discussions are requested to have community-wide attention:

Question Should the Israeli flag be displayed in the article? Please refer to the various discussions and comments above. When commenting please remember that this is WP:NOTAVOTE and to cite applicable policy and guidelines where possible. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:21, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Talk:New South Wales Police Force

Should two former NSW Police detectives, Roger Rogerson and Glen McNamara, crimes in 2014 be included in the Controversies section?

Note: Roger Rogerson was dismissed from the police force in 1986 and Glen McNamara left the police force in 1990.^[1]^[2] Melbguy05 (talk) 13:26, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Genocide of indigenous peoples

Should this article mention any or all of Gaza genocide, Palestinian genocide accusation and South Africa's genocide case against Israel? Selfstudier (talk) 09:37, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Anti-Defamation League

How should the ADL's pro-Israel positions be dealt with in the lead?

Location:

Final paragraph only. (current)
Final with a brief mention in the first paragraph.
No mention.
Other.

If A or B, what should be the length and emphasis on criticism of the pro-Israel stance in the final paragraph:

Three or four sentences, dwelling on criticism (current version)
One or two sentences, not giving current emphasis on criticism of the stance as in this version

Coretheapple (talk) 11:07, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Libertarian Party (United States)

With reference to MOS:ENGVAR and WP:UCRN: Are there reliable sources that substantiate the proposition that the term "social liberalism" is more extensively utilized in American English to denote "cultural liberalism" as opposed to social liberalism proper? 13:31, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Twisters (film)

Should History of tornado research and/or Research on tornadoes in 2024 be linked to this article by "see also"?

Yes – Both should be linked to the "Scientific accuracy" section using the see also template. (Example of this version: [1])
Yes – Both should be linked to a new "See also" section. (Example of this version: [2])
Yes – Only one (specify which one) should be added to the "Scientific accuracy" section using the see also template.
Yes – Only one (specify which one) should be linked to a new "See also" section.
No – Neither should be linked to this article.

The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 22:17, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Climate change

Which of the following versions should be used in the Food and health section? A is the current version in the article and B is the new version. This is a follow-up RfC. A previous RfC was conducted after a Dispute Resolution Noticeboard case. Version B below was preferred over another suggested new version, mainly due to length. In the previous RfC, the current version wasn't given as a specific option.

Bogazicili (talk) 21:14, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia

This cagegorization [3] - characterizing the event as "Massacres committed by Ukraine" - is challenged. Nowhere in the article it says it "was committed by Ukraine", and no sources are saying so. I disagree with the thesis above Talk:Massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia#Wrong cat that at some level of abstraction, it was committed by Ukraine but I'm the only one opposing. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 09:52, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Talk:List of genocides

Should Gaza genocide be included in this list? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:46, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Naming of German municipal subdivisions

While browsing through articles on subdivisions of Cologne with the intention of adding translations from German Wikipedia, I noticed that the terms used to translate different levels of subdivision are inconsistent across these pages. The overview article Districts of Cologne translates Stadtbezirk as "(city) district", and Stadtteil very literally as "city part". Articles about individual Stadtbezirke on the other hand, like Lindenthal and Rodenkirchen instead render Stadtbezirk as "borough" and Stadtteil as either "(city) quarter" "city part".

By way of comparison, articles on Berlin, which calls its top-level subdivisions Bezirk and its second-level subdivisions Ortsteil (which meanings do not differ substantially from Stadtbezirk and Stadtteil), uses "borough" for the former and "locality" for the latter.

This is confusing in several different ways:

Readers may take a minute to work out that what some articles call a "borough" is the same thing other articles call a "district".
The literal translation "city part" for Stadtteil sounds vague and doesn't really convey any scale or significance to the reader. It also sounds a bit "awkward" to my mind. The term "locality" used for Ortsteil is less awkward, but no less vague.
The use of "quarter" for Stadtteil is wholly nonsensical as the Stadtteile themselves can be further subdivided informally into German: (Stadt)viertel / Kölsch: Veedel, which literally translates as..."(city) quarter". Berlin articles use "neighbourhood" for such further, informal subdivisions of their Ortsteile.

I would like to propose the following consistent approach for the subdivisions of German cities:

(Stadt)bezirk or other top-level division to be rendered as borough
Stadt-/Ortsteil or other second-level division to be rendered as district
Viertel or other (usually informal) third-level division to be rendered as neighbourhood except in proper nouns^note (e.g. Severinsviertel → "Severin Quarter", Belgisches Viertel → "Belgian Quarter")

Subjectively, as a binative of English and German, this is what seems most intuitively comprehensible/evocative, but there are also objective reasons speaking for it:

The City of Cologne's official web page on its subdivisions alongside this official map of Veedel uses precisely this borough-district-neighbourhood schema while retaining "quarter" for proper nouns (example)
Berlin likewise officially uses "boroughs" for Bezirke and "districts and neighbourhoods" for Ortsteile and their subdivisions
The borough-district schema has also been used for translating Stockholm's top-level stadsdelsområden and second-level stadsdelar, the latter even being cognate with Stadtteile.

However, I didn't want to charge ahead and make these changes without first inviting comment to see if there might be any good reasons this isn't already what's used across the board. So...what do other editors think? --Newbiepedian (talk · C · X! · L) 12:13, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard

Japanese primary sources and contemporary newspapers state X force was engaged in the battle, newer English sources generally with few or no citations assert Y force was engaged in the battle, academic English source notes Y force as not being present in said battle. I am requesting a comment on the reliability of the four English sources in question and additional comments on any of the other sources mentioned would be greatly appreciated too. Adachi1939 (talk) 23:18, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New Brunswick

In 1967, the Government of New Brunswick abolished county municipal governments. Do counties still exist in New Brunswick despite this abolition? (Note: This question has been significantly reworded for clarity.) G. Timothy Walton (talk) 16:37, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Battle of Shanghai

I would like to seek a third opinion regarding this subject matter. The user @Wahreit has been quite attached to the narrative of the IJA 3rd Division's involvement in this battle, asserting it with a number of low quality cherry-picked generally non-academic sources which often do not provide citations for their claims. As seen above and many times before I have tried to explain in detail why these sources do not hold up and conflict with more reliable sources. In spite of this they have been frequently overriding my edits and also trying to interpret Japanese sources which it seems they can't understand and are unwittingly asserting false claims with them. I have been trying to correct these incorrect changes but I want to avoid edit-warring.

This dispute is not limited to this page but also the Defense of Sihang Warehouse page as well, where the disputed matter is largely the same. As I see it, the Japanese sources clearly demonstrate this notion of the IJA 3rd Division's participation to be incorrect. Regardless of being primary sources, I don't see how there is room to assert this claim when the actual participating units are well documented in Japanese. I have been simply translating records and using zero synthesis to reach my conclusions. It is documented that the IJA 3rd Division was at the bank of Suzhou River trying to cross it when this happened. It is documented that the IJN's Special Naval Landing Forces were the ones involved in the attack on Sihang Warehouse. The only counterclaims @Wahreit has provided are western sources in which 5/6 did not even provide citations for their claims (and half had no citations at all!).

It would be great if someone else can offer their opinion, especially if they can read Japanese sources. I know the heavy use of primary and Japanese language sources is far from ideal on my side as well.

Best Regards, Adachi 2024/07/16 Adachi1939 (talk) 21:55, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard

When data provided by Gaza Health Ministry is mentioned in prose should Gaza Health Ministry have a qualifier such as Hamas-run or Hamas-controlled? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:51, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

^ Ford, Mazoe (22 January 2024). "The mysteries that prevail after disgraced former detective Roger Rogerson's death". ABC News. Australian Broadcasting Corporation. Retrieved 6 August 2024.
^ McClymont, Kate (27 May 2014). "The odd couple: Roger Rogerson and Glen McNamara's unlikely alliance". The Sydney Morning Herald. Archived from the original on 19 September 2020.

[1] Ford, Mazoe (22 January 2024). "The mysteries that prevail after disgraced former detective Roger Rogerson's death". ABC News. Australian Broadcasting Corporation. Retrieved 6 August 2024.

[2] McClymont, Kate (27 May 2014). "The odd couple: Roger Rogerson and Glen McNamara's unlikely alliance". The Sydney Morning Herald. Archived from the original on 19 September 2020.

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